It's too damn expensive, full stop. In my assessment the Makua offered a more open and spacious sound. In my assessment the Makua offered a more open and spacious sound. One name that was thrown around by a few people I know is the Rockna Wavedream. Did I mention the remote is perfect? subjective to a point and that is why we do blind testing and A/B testing with DAVE stands for 'Digital to Analogue Veritas in Extremis', a moniker that best reflects the product's . MQA decoding Have you thought about hooking up a Blu2 to Dave? How does it compare? Strangely from this company is lack of any anti-aliasing on the text causing pixels to not be seen in the fonts chosen! Chord Dave Black New The Prime DAC With two prime DACs, MSB yields an unprecedented level of detail, reproducing the musicality, soundstage, and texture of an original performance, bringing the artist to you Ps Audio Directstream Dac Vs Auralic Vega Founded in 2004, Games for Change is a 501(c)3 nonprofit that empowers game creators and . It could sound analytical or hot coupled with bright combination of speaker and amplifier. I haven't heard MSB or theDenafrips DAC. But the majority of the time all 6 of Talking of cool lets talk about this remote. If you go reference you will never look back. 2. I cant help with comparisons of two of these DACs, but I did hear the Tambaqui up against the dCS Bartok and it was a pretty close call, but ultimately the dCS sounded more analogue and more immersive.However, this was at a time when both units were a similar price. other dacs I have enjoyedin no particular order; I would not call this second tier; but I prefer what hear from my Select II to what Ive heard from these. I submit dealers use the statement "component X competes against much more expensive components" far too often. $16K Signature DAC sound? I cant help with comparisons of two of these DACs, but I did hear the Tambaqui up against the dCS Bartok and it was a pretty close call, but ultimately the dCS sounded more analogue and more immersive, I have heard the Dave and EMM Labs DAC2x up against aMakua that I subsequently purchased. They both use FPGA for their decoding. frequency response graphs, CSD waterfall plots, subjective gear reviews. Elegant design. list the Rockna Wavedream Edition sounds this good, how good does their As the topic suggests, looking for comparisons on the above Dacs from people who have atleast heard and compared 2 of these dacs. Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by mtoc, Jun 9, 2016. The modular nature of MSB products allows you to have the bits you want and leave out those you dont, The display is a bit basic but it does what it needs to and you can see it from the other side of the room, Detail and transparency are the main features, Allows a real insight into the makeup of a track, Brings a sense of timing being bang on the money, Detail isnt a result of the higher frequencies being artificially pushed, Both PSUs are not absolutely necessary but once you remove one you want to put the other back in. Thanks. I recently bought a DAC with a digital volume control precisely to bypass the preamp, but when I compared the two approaches there was very little between them. The only true way for the end user to know what they prefer is through listening in their own system. The Base module has two outputs (high and low) depending on whether you are outputting to a preamplifier or directly to a power amplifier. Main Menu The Premier is a super-high-resolution, completely silent, utterly dynamic component that lets music flow through it less hindered than through anything else I've heard. This is THE place where audiophiles and audio companies discuss vintage, contemporary and new audio products, music servers, music streamers, computer audio, digital-to-analog converters, turntables, phono stages, cartridges, reel-to-reel tape machines, speakers, headphones and tube and solid-state amplification. Sounds shrill on my workstation and work laptop. I've had some excellent preamps in my system (Dartzeel, Absolare, Robert Koda, Kondo). He liked the Mola Mola Tambaqui over these others listed below. Australian Business Number 38 650 151 296, Digital Sources, DACs, and Computer Audio, Chord Dave vs Mola Mola Makua/Tambaqui vs Emm Labs Dac2x vs Rockna Wavedream. If you take a look at their website you will see that the machining shop is a fully equipped facility designed to meet the needs of a company producing high-quality cases in which the electronics will be fitted no off the shelf or cheap bent metal cases here! September 6, 2016 in DAC - Digital to Analog Conversion. EAR FILLERS HiFi Pig Playlists on Qobuz, Transatlantic Dispatches: A New World Disorder, Astell&Kern Launch Three New Products At High End Munich 2022. let me know when it's on, I'll make my way down if I can. There is no dark magic involved. I dont know as that was years ago and I dont have one here to test against. So this was headphones straight out of the DAVE? I can leave my hand on it as long as I want to. home system and listening for that end result. More to follow. Didn't like it at all. Fully agree that it could come down to personal preference @RoriHope you have arranged auditions. a year ago I got the new Renderer V2 which was a step up over USB. The main reason we took on Rockna was because their Actually the ChordHugo M Scaler and the Blu Mk. Site Founder | Site Owner | Administrator. Stuart Smith finds out. But it need good system matching. Will do. I havent heard the Rockna. I've owned a PS Audio I have the Berkeley Alpha Reference DAC, waiting for an upgrade. I called the distributor and we went through everything again. and this is borne out in the sound that this DAC brings to the party. The other issue is preference. They're very back ordered and are a pro unit with balanced only outputs and no remote but oh my do they sound spectacular. "To be 100% honest we have A/B tested most of the dacs mentioned We feel And if I had to guess (given I haven't heard both), I'd guess it outperforms the Tambaqui. CHORD Dave could be the most expensive deeply design DAC in the world and if you find it not your taste there is the best off the shelf DACs like akm4499 in Topping D90 for 699$ that could be even better than Dave. Set up is key, cables are super important, server is also Thanks guys! It may not display this or other websites correctly. That's just too money for the performance. It's easy! Well build a personalized offer for your existing MSB products that count towards a new DAC or amplifier. Guess what I am trying to say is: preamps are important. Like others said, I'd try first an MScaler with DAVE. I'm looking for suggestions between $10K - $12K. Supported Formats (Depending on Input) 44.1 kHz to 3.072kHz PCM up to 32 bits 1xDSD, 2xDSD, 4xDSD, 8xDSD Accepts DSD via DoP on all inputs, Digital Inputs 1x RCA Coaxial 1x XLR 1x Word-Sync Out 2x Toslink 2x Isolated slots for optional modules, XLR Outputs Voltage: 3.57 Vrms Maximum Impedance 300 High Gain setting Impedance 150 Low Gain setting. With two prime DACs, the MSB Discrete yields an unprecedented level of detail that reproduces the musicality, soundstage and texture of an original performance, bringing the artist to you. If so I'd recommend the Aqua Formula xHD and the TotalDAC d1-Seven. Thank you for posting! They are all excellent DACs and at that level of performance, it's ultimately about system synergy, personal preferences and the limitations of our hearing. Also, it is worth noting I heard the v1 DAC 2X, not the v2. very important and our preference connection is an i2S connection. Anyway, the little bit of extra detail on the strings, the attack, and decay are all there to be heard and its a marvelous thing to listen to. Well this is going to set the cat amongst the pigeons for sure. Let us do the work of refurbishing and finding your current electronics a new hometheyll continue to be enjoyed for years to come. and build quality is also excellent. It would be absolute suicide for an audio distributor to That is not to say that a preamp doesn't produce value with respect to other sound quality characteristics that may affect the personal appeal of the musical reproduction (e.g., soundstage), or that the extra transparency won't reveal system issues, but there is no question that transparency is higher when going straight to the amps. You'll be shocked by how much you lose by going through a separate preamp. Impedance 100 Low Gain setting. Pass Labs INT-60. The evolution of the original irreverent and irrelevant and non-authoritative site for headphone measurements, i.e. for instance, the Select II is modular (customers can easily change modules in seconds)so it has the ability to quickly modify its inputs to allow for optimization of various interfaces. its that good. When we set out to make the MSB remote, the design was built from the ground up. The modular nature of the Discrete and other MSB DACs is very clever and I assume this goes a good way towards giving it such a neutral and detailed sound, where no one part is interfering with what the other is doing. Elegant yet commanding, our finishes are available in a matte silver or matte black anodize. The DAVE DAC does not perform anywhere near where it should. That statement makes sense in an analog paradigm. The best upgrade for Dave easy. The Merriam-Webster online dictionary tells me that the definition of high-fidelity (HiFi) is the reproduction of an effect (such as sound or an image) that is very faithful to the original and it would seem to be reasonable to assume that this is the goal of audiophiles around the world. You might want to consider adding one of Chord's Upscalers, either Hugo M scaler , or the Blu Mk. At some point you have to be content in this hobby. Of course your opinion on sound quality is your own, and valid, but to suggest that the reason for the difference is because the Chord is an "FPGA DAC" is technically incorrect. However, to get this level of separation and detail within the soundscape the DAC is clearly having a very important role to play. An FPGA does not have analog output, in the Chord DACs, the FPGA handles digital processing only, not conversion from digital to analog. The only thing that I'd really like to see added here is an Aries Cerat. The Chord DAVE was also on my list, but I decided to pass (my Chord retailer was very 'pushy' and not helpful). It's better than the MSB Analog I listened to. This ranking is just my subjective thinking. Wavedream only has a couple hours on it, but from the first note it SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 256-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical--Bricasti M3 DAC--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. When I have done the comparison with other DACs I have had at the same time - Ayre QX5-Twenty, EAR Dac 4, exasound e32 - often the immediate impression is that DAVE/Blu 2 is not quite as good - a bit dryer sounding, not quite as smooth, not as airy or three dimensional And yet, over the longer term, it is deeply satisfying at a musical level in a way that the other DACs are not. Good points by all. As the noise in my system keeps getting lower, the PM2 keeps reaching deeper to find even more musical engagement and purity in standard 16/44 files. The end users ears are the only ears that count. Just go for an internal Asus card to fit in a PCI slot you should be able to get bit perfect optical output thanks for confirming suitability of current setup. The world's largest high-end audio community. To cut a long story short: A burnt in MSB Analog DAC with Power Base demoed side to side to a burnt in DAVE was no challenge for the MSB. Given your appreciation of the Pacific Microsonics DAC, I hope you'll get a chance to hear the Berkeley in your system as well. You are using an out of date browser. I could easily live with any of these. Its weighty, it feels perfect, its not overly ostentatious and its perfect! I did try with just the one power supply and the Discrete remained a very strong performer with the differences being a very slight loss in the sense of separation and definition when listening intently. johndoe21ro Click here to download your copy, At 11000 plus taxes as tested the Lampizator Big 7 is certainly no budget DAC, but does it deliver on sonic ability? Toggle signature. I found it big bold brash and dynamic but hard cold glary and fatiguing - all the old fashioned things I hated about early digital. lastly; what I compare my MSB Select II to every day is my top level vinyl and top level reel to reel tape. The BADA Ref is a great DAC and I understand the new version takes it to even another level. If I want to build a complicated system, I won't consider DAVE because for the position of DAC, I can choose from other brands (Totaldac, NADAC, Rockna, Prismsound 8XR etc) at the same price. Since the Topping D70s SINAD is ~120 dB and it costs ~$650, then given that "money is power" (as opposed to amplitude), I would expect the Chord DAVE SINAD to be at least 120 + 10*log($14,000 / $650) = 133.3 dB. Right now my favorite DACs in my system are the Pacific Microsonics Model 2 (for PCM), Phasure NOS1a (for PCM), Meridian Ultra (for MQA), and the Playback Designs MPS5 (for DSD128). I believe it comes down to Oppo Modwright BDP-205 full mod. Sit back and be immersed. The DAVE is very resolving, but thinner tonally in comparison to the EMM Labs. Our digital testing has been done over the last 20 + years With a better matched preamp presence may be acceptable. But in the specific case of the BADA and PM2, if you wish for me to be more precise, then taking into account that I only had the BADA ref for a very short time, the bottom line was that I didn't feel at the time that the difference between the PM2 in my system was significant enough to make it worth the energy to change components or the potential financial loss involved in a trade. JavaScript is disabled. I know it is a standard talking point by some to suggest that Chord DACs aren't as good with DSD as PCM. MSB Technology Discrete Modular DAC Page 2. After that you are GOLDEN. IMHO an audio recommendation in a forum is just an advice on what is worth listening and the reason why we think so. @shkong78 how good is the dave + mscaler vs msb? Links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Hifi Pig and Big Pig Media with appropriate and specific direction (link) to the original content. Although I would like to keep this as close to $10-12K as possible. there are others I know about but Ive not heard them recently. The only true way for the end user to know what they prefer is through listening in their own system.. We await Phase 2 where all DACs are assessed using upsampled data via your Lumin U1 to establish ranking and the preferred format through each. I can only comment on the Emm labs, if u can get a DA2 I think you will be happy "An audiophile is only done when they go to the great brick and mortar store in the sky" Ron Resnick Theres just a sense that with the MSB in the line that everything is timed correctly and rock solid. There are some tonal differences too, but what you prefer will depend on your other equipment and the music you like. Auction bid 7 150 25 . This is a company that is All American and fiercely proud of that fact. I've also learned that a DAC's performance will depend heavily on the music player. I'm super happy with my Esoteric N-01, which is a noticeable step up in quality/musicality from the DAVE - as yes the DAVE sounds a bit "thin" (though extraordinarily detailed). But digital, potentially, can change things. In that time, weve pushed the industry forward with each product weve built, redefining whats possible. I was upgrading it in this order and still could not believe every time it sounded better. While were committed to long lasting products that hold their value, we realize audio systems are always evolving. the Extreme has some special optimization for USB. and as I said earlier there is no "best" when it comes to dacs or but with digital things change quickly, and a month ago I got a new server, the SGM Extreme. The clock can be seen as being the heart of the DAC and once again the clocks are made in-house. JavaScript is disabled. When connecting to the MScaler, Dual-BNC was used on the chord dacs with shawline digital BNC cables. I don't have that kind of money. 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